G(o)od and (d)Evil
(Part Deux)
Previously I had expounded on the existence of Evil as an extension of selfishness; Good therefore being the negation of selfish desires in so far as people are able to forego their own gratification in favor of pleasing or helping others. I tried to avoid the religious angle because I felt many people would fall into that rut. IMO, Dogma is merely a propaganda machine and a symptom of a weak mind. I always try to come to my conclusions independent of popular thought. Most of my fellow Socrates_cafe members avoided assigning the origins of good and evil to divine agencies as well, though the same cannot be said for those who answered the Featured Question.
I especially liked tx_christian’s post on the subject. We both consider the concepts of good and evil to be subjective. They are based on societal norms. Like many others however, she went on to equate good and evil with God and the Devil. The inclusion of God and the Devil as examples of good and evil is problematic. It assumes that God is good only, and the Devil is evil. I’m sure you’ve heard the question, “Can God create a boulder which even He cannot lift?” It’s supposed to get people to think about the nature of God and whether It is infinite or finite. If It is infinite, then It must contain and be everything. There is no boulder that can defy the power of God. If It is finite, then somewhere out there is a boulder just waiting for God to fail. If God is infinite, then It must contain good and evil in equal measure. Even saying that “God is beyond good and evil” assumes that It encompasses those concepts on our mundane level even though we cannot comprehend anything beyond them. If God is finite, then we must assume that It expunged Its “evil” tendencies by deferring them to the Devil. By assuming that God is incapable of evil, we assume that It is finite, and therefore limited. If God is god of all things, then must It not contain evil as well as good?
The question is like a Zen koan. It is unanswerable. It can only make one think. But either God is both good and evil, or It is only good and therefore limited. For my own part, I have always felt that God, whatever unknowable entity which first created everything, does not exist. I am not speaking of the Christian deity now, which I feel is merely one god among many, but of that singular Being which created everything, the gods, the Earth, humanity, and spirits, and in doing so, ceased to be. While some theologians presuppose that God created all that is and withdrew, I am a pantheist. I believe that God expanded to form all that is, within Itself. Thus there is no place that we can go that God is not. But in forming everything and giving It varying levels of sentience, It lost its own cohesion. The quintessential Being which created everything is no longer sentient. It just is. We are the extension of Its thoughts, and we exist with the sole purpose of experiencing and growing until we one day reunify into the one Being again. At that point, there will be only God and nothing else. This being will be the sum of all experiences and will encompass and surpass the concepts of good and evil. This process of division and reunification will repeat forever.
That is my take on the religious aspect of good and evil. There are gods who encourage one or the other, but there is no God over all to which we can appeal or assign either concept. Gods are like people; though they are not typically entrenched in the morass of materialism, they are still as divided as we are when it comes to motivation. Good and evil are still concepts which are defined by societal norms of acceptance. Good and evil actions are still motivated by the desire for gratification, and by how much one’s personal brand of selfishness detracts from gratification of other people’s desires.
FL_boi asked can there be good without evil, or vice versa.
I do not believe that either can exist without the other. I do not think existence is exactly polarized between these two concepts however. Just as Einstein said that for all actions there must be an equal and opposite reaction, I feel that everything that exists must have balance and so for every entropic force, there is a creative one. Dark and light meet in gray. Good and evil meet in neutrality. Ignorance and knowledge meet in mediocrity. No concept exists but that it has an opposite somewhere, and in that way, existence is not stretched into an austere line. Instead, it forms a perfect sphere in which all things can and do meet in the middle at some point.
Zeal4living also had a good post on the subject of good and evil. In his comment on my first good and evil post, he asked, I always thought selfishness is an essential part of that which helps us to survive. Would you say selfishness is all evil? If it is all evil why do you think we keep holding onto our selfishness.
Selfishness does enable our survival, especially when we are children. By demanding more resources, we are able to use them to grow. As we grow however, we require less. Those who grow into adults without suppressing their selfishness become blinded by materialism. They want things, so they must have money. The money buys things, but never enough. They must have more. They become distracted by their own selfishness. They can’t see the forest for the trees, or in this case, they can’t see the World for the strip mines, factory farms, and corporate skyscrapers.
We are spiritual beings having a human experience. I firmly believe that we will not truly become spiritual adults until we can become selfless. Until we are able to turn our backs on our personal desires, we will continue to exist as individuals. At this point in our evolution, we are slowly pulling ourselves out of our selfish childhoods and becoming adults. There are more and more empaths and telepaths being born all the time. I see this as indicative of our spiritual evolution. Empaths are here to help their fellow beings ascend. We are here to teach and give guidance to those who are still struggling with maturity. The empath is the new bodhisattva, motivated by selfless action rather than the dominance of self. We are all part of the same being and our disposition at the time of its completion will define its new consciousness.
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